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Louise: Bogany Point, Bute, Upper Firth Of Clyde

Steam Lighter (19th Century)

Site Name Louise: Bogany Point, Bute, Upper Firth Of Clyde

Classification Steam Lighter (19th Century)

Alternative Name(s) Bogany Point Buoy; 'off Craigmore Pier'; Rothesay Bay; Inner Clyde Estuary; Louise

Canmore ID 102715

Site Number NS16NW 8002

NGR NS 10960 65709

NGR Description NS c. 107 657

Datum WGS84 - Lat/Long

Permalink http://canmore.org.uk/site/102715

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Administrative Areas

  • Council Argyll And Bute
  • Parish Maritime - Argyll And Bute
  • Former Region Strathclyde
  • Former District Maritime
  • Former County Not Applicable

Archaeology Notes

NS16NW 8002 c. 107 657

N55 50.8 W5 1.4

NLO: Craigmore [name: NS 107 650]

Bogany Point [name: NS 105 654]

Rothesay [name: NS 088 647]

Rothesay Bay [name centred NS 090 657].

Formerly entered as NS16NW 9349 at cited location NS 1073 6572 [N55 50.85 W5 1.2] and also as NS16SW 8010 at cited location NS c. 11 64 [N55 50 W5 1], and as NS06SE 8002 at cited location NS 0891 6443 (N55 50.11 W5 3.1).

3 February 1893. LOUISE. 23 years of Glasgow. Iron steam lighter. 29 ton. 3 men. Master J. Steel. Owner J. Hay, Glasgow. Rothesay to Falkirk. Tar. 2 dead. Wind SW4. 1½ miles SE of Craigmore Pier, Bute.

Source: PP Abstracts of Shipping Casualties on Coasts, or in Rivers and Harbours of the UK July 1892-93 (1894 [C.7324] LXXVI.505).

NMRS, MS/829/68 (no. 1270).

Quality of fix = PA

Horizontal Datum = OGB

General water depth = 35

Surveying Details

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22 December 1986. The LOUISE, an iron hulled steam lighter, foundered about 200 metres NE of Bogany Point buoy.

Report by P J Moir, 26 November 1986.

Hydrographic Office 1995.

(Classified as iron steam lighter, with cargo of tar: date of loss cited as 3 February 1893). Louise: this vessel foundered off Craigmore Pier. Capt. Steel.

Registration: Glasgow. Built 1870. 43grt. Length: 20m. Beam: 5m.

(Location of loss cited as N55 51.0 W5 1.0).

I G Whittaker 1998.

The location assigned to this record is essentially tentative. 'Craigmore Pier' is probably to be equated with Craigmore Old Pier (NS16NW 72) which extends from NS 10310 65510 to NS 10319 65478.

Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 22 March 2007.

Activities

Loss (3 February 1893)

3 February 1893. LOUISE. 23 years of Glasgow. Iron steam lighter. 29 ton. 3 men. Master J. Steel. Owner J. Hay, Glasgow. Rothesay to Falkirk. Tar. 2 dead. Wind SW4. 1½ miles SE of Craigmore Pier, Bute.

Source: PP Abstracts of Shipping Casualties on Coasts, or in Rivers and Harbours of the UK July 1892-93 (1894 [C.7324] LXXVI.505).

NMRS, MS/829/68 (no. 1270).

(Classified as iron steam lighter, with cargo of tar: date of loss cited as 3 February 1893). Louise: this vessel foundered off Craigmore Pier. Capt. Steel.

Registration: Glasgow. Built 1870. 43grt. Length: 20m. Beam: 5m.

(Location of loss cited as N55 51.0 W5 1.0).

I G Whittaker 1998.

Evidence Of Loss (1995)

Quality of fix = PA

Horizontal Datum = OGB

General water depth = 35

Surveying Details

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22 December 1986. The LOUISE, an iron hulled steam lighter, foundered about 200 metres NE of Bogany Point buoy.

Report by P J Moir, 26 November 1986.

Hydrographic Office 1995.

Note (22 March 2007)

The location assigned to this record is essentially tentative. 'Craigmore Pier' is probably to be equated with Craigmore Old Pier (NS16NW 72) which extends from NS 10310 65510 to NS 10319 65478.

Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 22 March 2007.

Reference (2011)

Whittaker ID : 1560

Name : LOUISE

Latitude : 555100

Longitude : 50100

Date Built : 1870

Registration : GLASGOW

Type : STEAM LIGHTER (IRON)

Tonnage : 43

Tonnage Code : G

Length : 20

Beam : 5

Draught : 2m

Loss Day : 3

Loss Month : 2

Loss Year : 1893

Comment : Foundered off Craigmore Pier. Capt. Steel

Cargo : TAR

Reference (19 April 2012)

UKHO Identifier : 004024

Feature Class : Wreck

Wreck Category : Non-dangerous wreck

State : LIVE

Classification : Unclassified

Position (Lat/long) : 55.84750,-5.02000

Horizontal Datum : ORDNANCE SURVEY OF GREAT BRITAIN (1936)

WGS84 Position (Lat/long) : 55.84743,-5.02116

WGS84 Origin : 3-D Cartesian Shift (BW)

Position Quality : Unreliable

Depth Quality : Depth unknown

Water Depth : 35

Vertical Datum : Mean Low Water Springs

Name : LOUISE

Type : S LIGHTER (IRON HULL)

Flag : BRITISH

Length : 19.8

Beam : 4.3

Draught : 1.5

Tonnage : 29

Tonnage Type : Net

Cargo : 63TONS TAR & AMMONIACAL LIQUOR IN CASKS

Date Sunk : ??/02/1893

Contact Description : None reported

Original Sensor : None reported

Original Detection Year : 1986

Original Source : Other

Circumstances of Loss : **BUILT 1870 BY SWAN & CO., MARYHILL, GLASGOW, WITH 2 CYLINDER COMPOUND ENGINE OF 15HP, SINGLE SHAFT, 1 BOILER. OWNED AT TIME OF LOSS BY J HAY, GLASGOW. PASSAGE ROTHESAY FOR FALKIRK. RAN INTO HEAVY SEAS AFTER ROUNDING BOGANY POINT, SWAMPED BY LARGE WAVE WHICH CAUSED WATER TO ENTER HOLD. 2 OF 3 CREW LOST. (SIBI)

Surveying Details : **H1310/86/36 22.12.86 FOUNDERED ABOUT 200MTRS NE OF BOGANY POINT BUOY. (P.J. MOIR, 26.11.86). NCA YET, POSN 555051N, 050112W [OGB] FOR FILING ONLY.

Charting Comments : POSN FOR FILING ONLY

Date Last Amended : 30/07/2009

Desk Based Assessment (27 November 2014)

The Louise is recorded to have been built in 1870 by Swan & Co. Maryhill, Glasgow. The vessel was an iron steamlighter and worked carrying cargo between ports on the Clyde (Moir and Crawford 2004: 72). Characterising Scotland's Marine Archaeolological Resource database places this wreck c. 157m to the south-west of the UKHO position for the live wreck of the Louise. The Canmore position is in accordance with the UKHO position.

Information from Sally Evans (Cotswold Archaeology), 27/11/2014.

Desk Based Assessment (27 November 2014)

Name: Louise

Position: 55.84743, -5.02116

Basis for Identification: The Louise is the only vessel of this type known to have been lost in this area.

Shipbuilder: Swan & Co, Maryhill

Build Date: 1870

Loss Date 1893

Vessel type: Steamship (Clyde Puffer)

Surviving Features and Condition: UKHO (1986): Record position of loss for filing only. No surveys noted.

Moir and Crawford (2004): Boiler is highest point. Stern section surviving. The remains extend up to 2m above the seabed. Remains are noted to be fragile and the wreckage is silted and breaking up.

Moir and Crawford (pers. comm. 2015). Boiler, winch (forward part of vessel), outline of hull can be seen. Sits up to 2m from seabed.

Seabed and type and marine environment: Silty- muddy, sandy seabed, some seabed movement. Depth of seabed recorded at 35m by UKHO. Surface sediments of Gravel, Sand and Mud recorded by the Institute of Geological Sciences (Deegan et. al. 1973).

Information from Sally Evans (Cotswold Archaeology), 27/11/2014.

Project (October 2014 - April 2015)

The maritime archaeology of the Clyde has been identified as a focus for a major study of human interaction with the river through time by the RCAHMS following on from recommendations by the Scottish Archaeological Research Framework (ScARF). Source to

Sea has been developed as the long-term research programme, of which the research into human connections with the River Clyde forms part. This project has comprised a study of the surviving shipwreck heritage of Clyde-built vessels lost within the Clyde estuary and Firth of Clyde.

This project has collated information from a range of sources and has enhanced knowledge of Clyde-built wrecks within the Clyde. In particular information from recreational divers has proved invaluable and has been the source of detailed information about the current condition of many Clyde-built wrecks, useful for on-going management. A number of wrecks previously recorded as of unknown identity in the RCAHMS database were positively identified during the project and more accurate positional information was established for a number of other wrecks. Additionally, the project identified a potentially significant wreck (Margaret Niven) the remains of which were not previously recorded. This project has also identified a number of other potentially significant wrecks within the Clyde, which reflect both its unique contributions to world-wide shipbuilding and local connections. These wrecks include paddle steamers (Lapwing and Princess of Wales), Clyde Puffers (e.g. Margaret Niven), steam-yachts with military connections (HMS Breda), a dredger (Greenock) and an 18th-century West Indiaman (Lady Margaret). Numerous other wrecks have been identified by this project, and all display some degree of significance.

Information from Sally Evans (Cotswold Archaeology) April 2015

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