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Unknown: Loch Striven, Upper Firth Of Clyde

Barge (20th Century), Minesweeper(S) (20th Century)(Possible), Motor Torpedo Boat (20th Century)(Possible)

Site Name Unknown: Loch Striven, Upper Firth Of Clyde

Classification Barge (20th Century), Minesweeper(S) (20th Century)(Possible), Motor Torpedo Boat (20th Century)(Possible)

Alternative Name(s) Brackley Point; Brackleymore; Brekely Point; Inner Clyde Estuary; Unknown

Canmore ID 102691

Site Number NS07SE 8001

NGR NS 09056 73840

Datum WGS84 - Lat/Long

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Administrative Areas

  • Council Argyll And Bute
  • Parish Maritime - Argyll And Bute
  • Former Region Strathclyde
  • Former District Maritime
  • Former County Not Applicable

Archaeology Notes

NS07SE 8001 0905 7384

N55 55.1833 W5 3.3667

NLO: Brackley Point [name: NS 090 739]

Loch Striven [name centred NS 086 723].

Formerly also entered as Site no. 9323.

See also NS07SE 8004.

Quality of fix = HSA

Horizontal Datum = OGB

Surveying Details

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11 July 1966. The wreck of a wooden vessel, probably a motor minesweepers or a motor launch is reported. It was apparently sunk by an explosion. The bow section lies about 30 metres from the remainder of the vessel. The vessel's length is 60 to 80 feet (18 - 24 metres).

Report by C Griev.

27 October 1966. The wreck is a 3-screw motor minesweeper. It was sunk about 20 years ago. The bow section, about 4.5 metres long, is exposed ashore with 0.2 metres showing at high water. The remainder of the vessel is lying 45 metres off-shore.

Report by W Elliot, 28 September 1966.

26 February 1975. A position of 55 51 1N, 005 03 22W is given.

5 March 1987. The remains of two vessels, either mine-sweepers or motor torpedo boats, and a small barge lie in this area. One vessel lies in 18 metres of water and the other in 45 metres. The barge lies between them in 24 metres and is about 60 feet (18 metres) long.

Report by S R French, 16 February 1987 in an application to purchase.

Hydrographic Office, 1995.

(Classified as MTB?: no date of loss cited). Unknown: reported as triple screw and wooden. Length: 20m.

(Location of loss cited as N55 55.18 W5 3.37).

I G Whittaker 1998.

Material reported under RoW amnesty (2001):

A3706 1 toilet (by Blake and Sons, Portsmouth): from seabed.

(Described as found at depth of 42m near wreckage off Brekely [Brackley] Point)

NMRS, MS/829/35.

The description given by Whittaker is consistent with the loss of a motor torpedo boat or similar craft.

Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 2 February 2007.

Activities

Evidence Of Loss (1995)

Quality of fix = HSA

Horizontal Datum = OGB

Surveying Details

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11 July 1966. The wreck of a wooden vessel, probably a motor minesweepers or a motor launch is reported. It was apparently sunk by an explosion. The bow section lies about 30 metres from the remainder of the vessel. The vessel's length is 60 to 80 feet (18 - 24 metres).

Report by C Griev.

27 October 1966. The wreck is a 3-screw motor minesweeper. It was sunk about 20 years ago. The bow section, about 4.5 metres long, is exposed ashore with 0.2 metres showing at high water. The remainder of the vessel is lying 45 metres off-shore.

Report by W Elliot, 28 September 1966.

26 February 1975. A position of 55 51 1N, 005 03 22W is given.

5 March 1987. The remains of two vessels, either mine-sweepers or motor torpedo boats, and a small barge lie in this area. One vessel lies in 18 metres of water and the other in 45 metres. The barge lies between them in 24 metres and is about 60 feet (18 metres) long.

Report by S R French, 16 February 1987 in an application to purchase.

Hydrographic Office, 1995.

Evidence Of Loss (2001)

Material reported under RoW amnesty (2001):

A3706 1 toilet (by Blake and Sons, Portsmouth): from seabed.

(Described as found at depth of 42m near wreckage off Brekely [Brackley] Point)

NMRS, MS/829/35.

Note (2 February 2007)

The description given by Whittaker is consistent with the loss of a motor torpedo boat or similar craft.

Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 2 February 2007.

Reference (2011)

Whittaker ID : 343

Name : UNKNOWN

Latitude : 555511

Longitude : 50322

Type : MTB ?

Length : 20

Position : Exact Position

Comment : Reported as triple screw and wooden.

Reference (19 April 2012)

UKHO Identifier : 003956

Feature Class : Wreck

Wreck Category : Wreck showing any portion of hull or superstructure

State : LIVE

Classification : Unclassified

Position (Lat/long) : 55.91963,-5.05727

Horizontal Datum : ETRS 1989

WGS84 Position (Lat/long) : 55.91963,-5.05727

WGS84 Origin : Block Shift

Previous Position : 55.91972,-5.05612

Position Method : Horizontal sextant angle

Position Quality : Precisely known

Depth Quality : Depth unknown

Water Depth : 2

Vertical Datum : Mean Low Water Springs

Name : UNKNOWN

Type : M MINESWEEPER & BARGE

Contact Description : Entire wreck

Original Sensor : Video Sensor

Last Sensor : None reported

Original Detection Year : 1954

Last Detection Year : 1987

Original Source : Naval Vessel

Last Source : Other

Surveying Details : **H653/54 17.2.54 INS ST IN 555508N, 050322W OR 003.25DEGS, 3.59M FROM ARDBERG PT. (HMS ANDREW). BR STD.

**11.7.66 WOODEN VESSEL, PROBABLY A MMS OR A M LAUNCH, APPARENTLY SUNK BY EXPLOSION. BOW SECTION LIES ABOUT 100FT FROM REMAINDER OF VESSEL. LENGTH 60-80FT. (C GRIEV).

**27.10.66 WK IS A 3-SCREW MOTOR MINESWEEPER. IT WAS SUNK ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO. BOW SECTION 15FT LONG IS EXPOSED, 0.75FT SHOWING AT HIGH WATER. THE REMAINDER IS LYING 50YDS OFF-SHORE. (W ELLIOT, 28.9.66).

**26.2.75 SHOWN IN 55511N, 050322W ON SURVEY [E9179] OF 1952. AMEND POSN. BR STD.

**5.3.87 THE REMAINS OF TWO VESSELS, EITHER MINESWEEPERS OR MTBS, AND A SMALL BARGE LIE IN THIS AREA. ONE VESSEL LIES IN 60FT OF WATER AND THE OTHER IN 150FT. THE BARGE LIES BETWEEN THEM IN 80FT AND IS ABOUT 60FT LONG. (S R FRENCH, 16.2.87. NCA YET.

POSITIONS BELOW THIS POINT ARE IN DEGREES, MINUTES AND DECIMALS OF A MINUTE

**30.1.03 EUT POSN: 5555.178N, 0503.436W. NE 1906.

Chart Symbol : ST

Date Last Amended : 29/07/2009

Date Position Last Amended : 29/07/2009

Loss

(Classified as MTB?: no date of loss cited). Unknown: reported as triple screw and wooden. Length: 20m.

(Location of loss cited as N55 55.18 W5 3.37).

I G Whittaker 1998.

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