Sms G35 (Possibly): Gutter Sound, Scapa Flow, Orkney
Destroyer (20th Century)(Possible), Obstruction (Period Unassigned)
Site Name Sms G35 (Possibly): Gutter Sound, Scapa Flow, Orkney
Classification Destroyer (20th Century)(Possible), Obstruction (Period Unassigned)
Alternative Name(s) Hoy; Fara; Rysa Little; Mill Bay; S65
Canmore ID 102268
Site Number ND39NW 8028
NGR ND 32078 97167
Datum WGS84 - Lat/Long
Permalink http://canmore.org.uk/site/102268
- Council Orkney Islands
- Parish Maritime - Orkney
- Former Region Orkney Islands Area
- Former District Maritime
- Former County Not Applicable
ND39NW 8028 3207 9716
N58 51.4167 W3 10.65
NLO: Gutter Sound [name centred ND 316 968]
Mill Bay [name centred ND 307 955]
Fara [name: ND 329 959]
Stromness [name: HY 253 090]
Scapa Flow [name centred HY 36 00].
For other ships within this group, see:
ND39NW 8009 V129 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8011 S136 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8012 G92 (destroyer: probable secondary location)
ND39NW 8016 S52 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8018 V70 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8019 S53 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8020 G89 (destroyer: possible secondary location)
ND39NW 8021 S55 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8022 G91 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8023 S36 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8024 S32 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8026 G86 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8027 G39 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8029 S138 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8030 S53 (destroyer: identity uncertain and possible secondary location)
ND39NW 8031 G40 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8032 B110 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8033 B112 (destroyer: possible secondary location)
ND39NW 8034 B109 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8036 G104 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8037 G101 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8038 V83 (destroyer: secondary location)
ND39NW 8044 G103 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8053 B109 (destroyer: secondary location)
ND39NW 8055 S56 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8057 G38 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8058 H145 (destroyer: possible secondary location)
ND39NW 8059 B111 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8062 V127 (destroyer: possible secondary location)
ND39NW 8063 V126 (destroyer: secondary location)
ND39NW 8064 V125 (destroyer: secondary location)
ND39NW 8065 V82 (destroyer: secondary location)
ND39NW 8066 V81 (destroyer: initial location)
ND39NW 8068 V43 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8069 V100 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8070 V73 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8071 V80 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8072 S60 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8073 S51 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8074 S137 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8075 V128 (destroyer: doubtful location)
ND39NW 8076 V78 (destroyer: probable secondary location)
ND39NW 8077 S65 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8078 V46 (destroyer)
ND39NW 8079 V44 (destroyer: secondary location)
ND39NW 8082 G102 (destroyer: secondary location)
ND39NW 8083 S132 (destroyer: secondary location)
ND39SW 8002 V45 (destroyer: secondary location, probably formerly on ND39NW)
ND39SW 8005 S131 (destroyer: secondary location, probably formerly on ND39NW)
ND39SW 8012 S50 (destroyer: secondary location, probably formerly on ND39NW)
ND39SW 8013 S49 (destroyer: secondary location, probably formerly on ND39NW)
ND39SE 8003 S54 (destroyer: secondary location, probably formerly on ND39NW)
(All the above locations are apparently primary unless otherwise specified).
Formerly entered as ND39NW 8806.
For general plans of High Seas Fleet (Internment Formation) wrecks in Scapa Flow, see Van der Vat 1986 (endpapers), Smith 1989, 4, Macdonald 1998, 19 and George 1999, 35.
Horizontal Datum = OGB
General water depth = 15
Circumstances of Loss Details
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The German destroyer G35 was scuttled.
Surveying Details
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1919. A dangerous wreck, mast awash at low water, is reported at 58 51 25N, 003 10 39W
1925. The vessel was raised and towed to Mill Bay. It was then towed to Granton.
Hydrographic Office, 1995.
This vessel is considered a 'casualty' rather than a craft on account of its successful salvage, the available evidence being written rather than material. In the absence of diver survey, however, artifacts, fittings and, possibly, structural elements may survive on or in the seabed at the location of scuttling. Depressions in the seabed may also represent the locations of the turrets or superstructure.
Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 10 January 2003.
The significance of this Hydrographic office record is unclear and the identity of the vessel recovered is unclear. Neither the construction nor the scuttling of SMS G35 is recorded by Le Fleming 1961, George 1999 or [Jane] 2001. The cited location falls on the E side of the northern entrance to Gutter Sound, about 400m off the shore of Fara, and probably represents the primary location of the wreck.
This ship may be considered as falling within the Fara/Rysa (Gutter Sound) group of destroyers and torpedo craft, which were scuttled within the area of Gutter Sound [name centred ND 316 968]. This area of water may be understood as a narrow sheltered passage between the islands of Hoy, Fara and Rysa Little, to the W of the broad expanse of Scapa Flow. It has a level seabed at a charted depth of between 13 and 16m; the seabed type is indicated sparingly but is apparently a mixture of gravel, shingle and sand. Apart from the specifically-indicated wrecks, extensive areas of foul and spoil ground and numerous obstructions attest to the former presence of the High Seas Fleet. Wrecks (Wk or Wks) are noted at N58 50.3 W3 11.3 [ND 314 951], N58 50.75 [ND 310 959] and around N58 50.7 W3 11.5 [HY 312 958], the latter annotation having a buoy immediately to the W. Areas of foul ground are charted around N58 49.7 W3 10.5 [ND 321 939], N58 50.05 W3 10.9 [ND 317 946] and N58 51.l3 W3 10.7 [ND 320 969].
The recorded identical locations for ships in this group may reflect their being moored in trots.
Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 5 June 2003.
HO chart 35 (1980, revised 1991); HO 1995.
Reference (19 April 2012)
UKHO Identifier : 001024
Feature Class : Obstn
Obstruction Category : Foul ground
State : LIFT
Classification : Unclassified
Position (Lat/long) : 58.85694,-3.17750
Horizontal Datum : ORDNANCE SURVEY OF GREAT BRITAIN (1936)
WGS84 Position (Lat/long) : 58.85653,-3.17907
WGS84 Origin : 3-D Cartesian Shift (BW)
Position Quality : Precisely known
Depth Quality : Depth unknown
Water Depth : 15
Vertical Datum : Lowest Astronomical Tide
Name : S65
Type : DESTROYER
Flag : GERMAN
Tonnage : 919
Tonnage Type : Displacement
Date Sunk : 21/06/1919
Contact Description : Entire wreck
Original Sensor : Observed Sinking
Last Sensor : None reported
Original Detection Year : 1919
Last Detection Year : 1925
Original Source : Other
Last Source : Other
Circumstances of Loss : **SCUTTLED.
Surveying Details : **H8464/19 DWP, MAST AWASH AT LOW WATER, SHOWN IN 585125N, 031039W ON SURVEY [C7953]. BR STD.
**H6229/23 13.7.23 INS ON NE 3729 & - NM 1523/23.
**CP14782/25 CP15106/25 CP15556/25 CP15795/25 CP16821/25 RAISED AND TOWED TO MILL BAY.
**CP17427/25 TOWED TO GRANTON.
**H4206/25 29.6.25 DELETE. - NM 1009/25.
**20.8.57 INS AS FOUL ANCHORAGE ON NC 35.
**14.6.79 NOT SHOWN ON NC 2568.
**3.7.80 SHOWN ON NC 35.
Chart Symbol : F
Date Last Amended : 28/01/2005