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Unknown: Lyness Wharf, Ore Bay, Scapa Flow, Orkney
Unidentified Object (20th Century), Obstruction, Ship
Site Name Unknown: Lyness Wharf, Ore Bay, Scapa Flow, Orkney
Classification Unidentified Object (20th Century), Obstruction, Ship
Alternative Name(s) Hoy; Foul
Canmore ID 102248
Site Number ND39SW 8008
NGR ND 31472 94609
Datum WGS84 - Lat/Long
Permalink http://canmore.org.uk/site/102248
- Council Orkney Islands
- Parish Maritime - Orkney
- Former Region Orkney Islands Area
- Former District Maritime
- Former County Not Applicable
ND39SW 8008 3147 9461
N58 50.0333 W3 11.2333
NLO: Lyness [name centred ND 307 948]
Ore Bay [name centred ND 312 942]
Stromness [name: HY 253 090]
Scapa Flow [name centred HY 36 00].
'German ship'.
G Ridley 1992.
Quality of fix = PA
Horizontal Datum = UND
Surveying Details
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23 October 1934. An obstruction is reported with the least depth of 11.8 metres at a position bearing 109 degrees, 92 metres from the south east corner of Lyness Wharf.
Hydrographic Office, 1995.
Desk Based Assessment (August 1997)
Three 'obstructions' lie in the waters to the SE of Lyness Pier.
Moore and Wilson, 1997
Coastal Zone Assessment Survey
Reference (19 April 2012)
UKHO Identifier : 000990
Feature Class : Obstn
Obstruction Category : Foul ground
State : LIVE
Classification : Unclassified
Position (Lat/long) : 58.83389,-3.18722
Horizontal Datum : ORDNANCE SURVEY OF GREAT BRITAIN (1936)
WGS84 Position (Lat/long) : 58.83347,-3.18879
WGS84 Origin : 3-D Cartesian Shift (BW)
Previous Position : 58.83388,-3.18722
Position Quality : Approximate
Depth : 11.9
Depth Quality : Least depth known
Water Depth : 12
Water Level Effect : Always under water/submerged
Vertical Datum : Lowest Astronomical Tide
Name : Foul
Type : REMAINS OF SHIP
Flag : GERMANY
Contact Description : Notable debris
Original Sensor : None reported
Original Detection Year : 1934
Original Source : Other
Surveying Details : **H7105/34 25.10.34 FOUL OF 6.5FMS 109 DEG 0.5 CABLES FROM SE CORNER OF LYNESS WHARF. (CP 17750/34)
**7.11.74 AMEND TO FOUL 11.9MTRS. NC 2568 (PLAN - LYNESS WHARF).
Chart Symbol : F PA 11.9
Date Last Amended : 28/09/1999
Date Position Last Amended : 28/09/1999
Reference (March 2012)
Sitename : Lyness Wharf
Altname : Hoy
Note : From MBES geophysical data - at NGR 331452E 994561N, an area of low mounds, c. 117 metres by 79 metres, off Lyness Wharf c. 0.5 metres high that could be associated with anchorages or the salvaging of the German High Seas Fleet off Lyness. It is part of an area of similar sized mounds covering 1.2 kilometres between Hoy and Fara extending from offshore of Mill Bay to Ore Bay. High potential.
This area of mounds is near the obstruction Canmore ID 102248, which was previously given as an approximate position.
Kevin Heath (pers. comm) Unknown wreckage.
Source :
Aspect Survey,Lyness SeaZone TruDepth Points SeaZone in OSGB36 SeaZone Dataset 109871,SeaZone,2011
Project (2013 - 2014)
The Scapa Flow 2013 Marine Archaeology Survey Project, commissioned by Historic Scotland, undertook remote sensing surveys and archaeological diving evaluations at some of the sites within Scapa Flow, Orkney and at the Churchill Barriers.
The project aimed to establish or confirm the identification, extent of survival, character and condition of around 28 known but mostly poorly recorded First and Second World War wreck sites, 8 salvage sites, several sites thought to be associated with Second World War Boom Defences, and a limited sample of geophysical features identified in previous studies (Project Adair).
The work built on that of previous surveys including those completed as part of the ScapaMap Project (2001 and 2006) and by Wessex Archaeology Scapa Flow Wrecks Survey (2012), amongst others.
The project was completed by ORCA Marine and SULA Diving
Diver Inspection (2013)
58 50.008 N 3 11.327 W The remains of both contacts from the side scan sonar survey lie on a muddy bottom in 8m – 12m of water in an area of slight tide. The remains at both contacts are moderately corroded and have a limited coverage of short animal turf.
Both contacts were found to be large hollow circular steel objects. The circular rings are punctuated by weight saving apertures spaced 10-15cm apart. The central aperture of each of the rings is filled with numerous sections of grating, copper piping and crumpled steel plates.
Contact 1 protruded straight out of the seabed, but was not a complete circle and part of the ring appears to have collapsed.
Contact 2 is more intact and stands further off the seabed, protruding at a slight angle.
There was some evidence of modern debris in the remains.
Results
The presence of gratings often found in the funnels of battleships, and evidence from the Seydlitz salvage site where another of these features was identified in association with more debris to provide additional contextual data), suggests these are the remains of funnels. Likely deposited during salvage activities in the area it is not possible to associate these remains with a specific ship, and as such they cannot be dated.
Information from Annalisa Christie, Kevin Heath and Mark Littlewood (ORCA) March 2014
Side Scan Sonar Survey (2013)
58 50.008 N 3 11.327 W This site was assessed by side scan sonar surveys using a winch-towed towfish. The side scan image showed two circular features approximately 30m apart. The contact to the northwest (Contact 1) measures 10.2m by 6.2m and stands 0.78m proud of the seabed. The contact to the southeast (Contact 2) measures 7.3m by
6.2m and stands 1.78m proud of the seabed. This feature appears more intact than Contact 1.
and diver ground-truthed using the methods detailed in Section 4.3 and 4.5 above.
Stills and video footage were collected during two dives – one on each circular
feature. A selection of these are presented in Figure 35.
Results
Side Scan Data