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Socrates: Breddock Bay, Rhinns Of Galloway, North Channel
Steam Trawler (20th Century)
Site Name Socrates: Breddock Bay, Rhinns Of Galloway, North Channel
Classification Steam Trawler (20th Century)
Alternative Name(s) '[on The] South Side Of Clanyard Bay'; Irish Sea; Socrates
Canmore ID 101658
Site Number NX03NE 8002
NGR NX 09380 37484
Datum WGS84 - Lat/Long
Permalink http://canmore.org.uk/site/101658
- Council Dumfries And Galloway
- Parish Maritime - Dumfries And Galloway
- Former Region Dumfries And Galloway
- Former District Maritime
- Former County Not Applicable
NX03NE 8002 0937 3748
N54 41.7667 W4 57.5
NLO: Breddock Bay [name: NX 090 372]
Clanyard Bay [name centred NX 096 389].
Formerly entered as NX03NE 8068, and also as NX03NE 8007 at cited location NX c. 099 377 [N54 41.9 W4 57], and as NX03NE 8073 at cited locations NX 0979 3628 (N 54 41.1333 W 4 57.0667) and NX c. 09 38 [N54 42 W4 58].
Formerly entered in error under classification Steamship.
(Location of loss cited as N51 41.76 W4 57.50).
P C Miller 1992.
Horizontal Datum = UND
Circumstances of Loss Details
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18 March 1976. SOCRATES sank on the 2 January 1913.
Source: letter from P C Miller dated 18 August 1975.
Surveying Details
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18 March 1976. The wreck was located at 54 41 46N, 004 57 30W. It appears to have been blown up shortly after sinking. It is well scattered over the bottom of the bay. The wreck belongs to the Stranraer branch of the Scottish Sub-Aqua Club.
Source: letter from P. C. Miller dated 18 February 1976.
18 April 1977. Further to previous reports, wreckage is found about 10 metres offshore in 3 metres of water lying on rough ground which slopes quite sharply. The wreck is flattened and scattered. The highest point being the boiler which stands slightly clear of main wreckage in 12 metres of water and 4-5 metres high.
Source: letter from P C Miller dated 28 January 1977.
Hydrographic Office, 1995.
(Classified as steel steam trawler, in ballast: date of loss cited as 7 January 1913). Socrates: this vessel stranded [on the] South side of Clanyard Bay.
Registration: Fleetwood. Built 1906. 295grt. Length: 41m. Beam: 7m.
(Location of loss cited as N54 41.77 W4 57.50).
I G Whittaker 1998.
Loss (7 January 1913)
(Location of loss cited as N51 41.76 W4 57.50).
P C Miller 1992.
(Classified as steel steam trawler, in ballast: date of loss cited as 7 January 1913). Socrates: this vessel stranded [on the] South side of Clanyard Bay.
Registration: Fleetwood. Built 1906. 295grt. Length: 41m. Beam: 7m.
(Location of loss cited as N54 41.77 W4 57.50).
I G Whittaker 1998.
Evidence Of Loss (18 March 1976)
Horizontal Datum = UND
Circumstances of Loss Details
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18 March 1976. SOCRATES sank on the 2 January 1913.
Source: letter from P C Miller dated 18 August 1975.
Surveying Details
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18 March 1976. The wreck was located at 54 41 46N, 004 57 30W. It appears to have been blown up shortly after sinking. It is well scattered over the bottom of the bay. The wreck belongs to the Stranraer branch of the Scottish Sub-Aqua Club.
Source: letter from P. C. Miller dated 18 February 1976.
18 April 1977. Further to previous reports, wreckage is found about 10 metres offshore in 3 metres of water lying on rough ground which slopes quite sharply. The wreck is flattened and scattered. The highest point being the boiler which stands slightly clear of main wreckage in 12 metres of water and 4-5 metres high.
Source: letter from P C Miller dated 28 January 1977.
Hydrographic Office, 1995.
Note (7 December 2001)
The location assigned to this record is essentially arbitrary.
This wreck is probably to be equated with that noted under NX03NE 8002.
Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 7 December 2001.
Reference (2011)
Whittaker ID : 1645
Name : SOCRATES
Latitude : 544146
Longitude : 45730
Date Built : 1906
Registration : FLEETWOOD
Type : STEAM TRAWLER(STEEL)
Tonnage : 295
Tonnage Code : G
Length : 41
Beam : 7
Draught : 3m
Position : Exact Position
Loss Day : 7
Loss Month : 1
Loss Year : 1913
Comment : Stranded S side Clanyard Bay
Cargo : BALLAST
Reference (19 April 2012)
UKHO Identifier : 005362
Feature Class : Wreck
State : LIVE
Classification : Unclassified
Position (Lat/long) : 54.69611,-4.95833
Horizontal Datum : ORDNANCE SURVEY OF GREAT BRITAIN (1936)
WGS84 Position (Lat/long) : 54.69619,-4.95947
WGS84 Origin : 3-D Cartesian Shift (BW)
Previous Position : 54.69612,-4.95833
Position Quality : Unreliable
Depth Quality : Depth unknown
Water Depth : 0
Vertical Datum : Lowest Astronomical Tide
Name : SOCRATES
Type : S TRAWLER
Flag : ?BRITISH
Tonnage : 295
Tonnage Type : Gross
Date Sunk : 02/01/1913
Bottom Texture : Rock
Contact Description : Notable debris
Original Sensor : Diver Sighting
Last Sensor : Diver Sighting
Original Detection Year : 1913
Last Detection Year : 1977
Original Source : Divers
Last Source : Divers
Circumstances of Loss : **SANK, CAUSE NOT REPORTED.
Surveying Details : **H1288/75/397 18.3.76 WK IN 544146N, 045730W APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN BLOWN UP SHORTLY AFTER SINKING. WELL SCATTERED OVER THE BOTTOM OF THE BAY. WK BELONGS TO STRANRAER BRANCH OF SCOTTISH SUB-AQUA CLUB. (P C MILLER, LTR DTD 18.2.76). NCA.
**H1281/77 18.4.77 FURTHER TO PREVIOUS REPORT, WRECKAGE FOUND ABOUT 10MTRS OFFSHORE IN 3MTRS OF WATER, LYING ON ROUGH GROUND SLOPING QUITE SHARPLY. WK IS FLATTENED AND SCATTERED, HIGHEST POINT BEING BOILER STANDING SLIGHTLY CLEAR OF MAIN WRECKAGE IN 12MTRS, 4-5MTRS HIGH. (P C MILLER LTR, DTD 28.1.77). PLOTS ON COASTLINE. FOR FILING ONLY. NCA.
General Comments : HEIGHT 4-5MTRS
Charting Comments : POSN FOR FILING ONLY
Date Last Amended : 28/08/2009
Date Position Last Amended : 28/08/2009
