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Telesilla: Macintosh Rock, Firth Of Forth

Steamship (19th Century)

Site Name Telesilla: Macintosh Rock, Firth Of Forth

Classification Steamship (19th Century)

Alternative Name(s) Queensferry Narrows; Beamer Rock; Mackintosh Rock; Forth Road Bridge; North Queensferry; Middle Forth Estuary; Telesilla

Canmore ID 96680

Site Number NT18SW 8004

NGR NT 12557 80246

Datum WGS84 - Lat/Long

Permalink http://canmore.org.uk/site/96680

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Administrative Areas

  • Council Fife
  • Parish Maritime - Fife
  • Former Region Fife
  • Former District Maritime
  • Former County Not Applicable

Archaeology Notes

NT18SW 8004 1255 8024

N56 .4333 W3 24.15

NLO: Beamer Rock [name: NT 119 800].

Formerly entered as Site no. 8149.

14 September 1896 TELESILLA, 19 years, of London. Lloyds +90 A1. Survey 12/95, iron steamship, 725 ton, 16 men. Master A. Harvey. Owner F. Gordon, Newcastle. Grangemouth to Hamburg. Coal. Wind WSW6. Beamer Rock, Firth of Forth.

Source: PP Abstracts of Shipping Casualties on Coasts, or in Rivers and Harbours of the UK July 1896-97 (1898 [C.8917] LXXXVIII.401).

NMRS, MS/829/67 (no. 889).

Operations are at present being prosecuted in connection with the removal of the wrecks of the SS Ruby [NT08SE 8001] and another vessel which was beached about nine years ago in the Forth near Queensferry, and also the masts and funnel of the SS Skulda [NT08SE 8014] which was recently sunk in a collision. As may be supposed, the wrecks are a danger to shipping.

(The other vessel noted is probably the Telesilla [NT18SW 8004], sunk near North Queensferry on 14 Sepember 1896).

Source: Fifeshire Advertiser, 8 November 1906.

Quality of fix = PA

Horizontal Datum = OGB

Circumstances of Loss Details

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The vessel struck Beamer Rock, and afterwards grounded close to Mackintosh Rock, en route from Grangemouth to Hamburg.

Source: Lloyds List 14 September 1896.

Surveying Details

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2 December 1981. Mackintosh Rock now supports the north pier of the Forth Road Bridge and it is suspected that the wreck has been removed.

Report by I G Whittaker, 18 November 1981.

Hydrographic Office 1995.

Rediscovered and part removed during construction operations around N pier of Forth Road Bridge.

Source: [Edinburgh] Evening News, 27 May 1997.

CENTURY OLD WRECK ROCKS BRIDGE WORK

Work on strengthening the massive supports of Forth Road Bridge is being hampered by the wreck of 100 year of steamship. The TELESILLA hit Macintosh Rock and sank along with its cargo of coal. The rock now forms the base for the north support of the bridge and a ?7 million project to build protective cladding has been delayed because the wreck is proving difficult to shift. Now the contractors are bringing in a Dutch crushing rig with powerful grabs to literally tear the TELESILLA away from the bridge. Books and charts alerted the company, Balfour Beatty, to the presence of the wreck. Although records show that the superstructure was removed in 1906, its hull remains in place.

"It's too close to the bridge to allow us to use dynamite" said a spokesman from the Forth Bridge Joint Board. "We always knew it was there but have to admit it is proving more difficult to shift than we anticipated." Earlier plans included using divers to cut away a section of the 230ft ship and attach airbags to make it easier to move it out of the way. However, the sheer bulk and thickness of the hull thwarted that idea.

The TELESILLA sailed from Grangemouth on 14 September 1896 loaded with coal but hit Beamer Rock and eventually sank at the foot of Macintosh Rock. There are no reports of loss of life. It is to guard against the 1 in 435 risk of a ship hitting the Forth Road Bridge that a series of 14m diameter cofferdams are being built on the inside of each support. The work is scheduled to be completed by November.

Source: Scotsman 31 July 1997

Note: This wreck was demolished between 31 July and 11 August [1997].

Information from Peter Yeoman (Fife Regional Archaeologist) in conversation with contractors [1997].

(Classified as iron steamship, with cargo of coal: date of loss cited as 14 September 1896). Telesilla: this vessel was stranded on Beamer Rock, then Macintosh Road [Macintosh Rock]. Capt. Harvey.

Registration: London. 1174 grt. Length: 70m. Beam: 10m.

(Location of loss cited as N56 0.4 W3 24.08).

I G Whittaker 1998.

Activities

Reference (2011)

Whittaker ID : 45

Name : TELESILLA

Latitude : 560024

Longitude : 32405

Date Built : 1877

Registration : LONDON

Type : SS (IRON)

Tonnage : 1174

Tonnage Code : G

Length : 70

Beam : 10

Draught : 5m

Position : Position Approximate

Loss Day : 14

Loss Month : 9

Loss Year : 1896

Comment : Stranded on Beamer Rock then Macintosh Road. Capt. Harvey

Cargo : COAL

Reference (19 April 2012)

UKHO Identifier : 002799

Feature Class : Wreck

State : LIFT

Classification : Unclassified

Position (Lat/long) : 56.00722,-3.40250

Horizontal Datum : ORDNANCE SURVEY OF GREAT BRITAIN (1936)

WGS84 Position (Lat/long) : 56.00715,-3.40390

WGS84 Origin : 3-D Cartesian Shift (BW)

Position Quality : Unreliable

Depth Quality : Depth unknown

Water Depth : -1

Vertical Datum : Mean Low Water Springs

Name : TELESILLA

Type : SS

Flag : BRITISH

Length : 70.1

Beam : 9.8

Draught : 5.2

Tonnage : 1174

Tonnage Type : Gross

Cargo : COAL

Date Sunk : 14/09/1896

Contact Description : Notable debris

Original Sensor : Reported Sinking

Original Detection Year : 1986

Original Source : Other

Circumstances of Loss : **BUILT IN 1877 BY E WITHY & CO, HARTLEPOOL. OWNED AT TIME OF LOSS BY F GORDON, NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE. ONE BOILER, COMPOUND EXPANSION ENGINE OF 120NHP, SINGLE SHAFT. PASSAGE GRANGEMOUTH FOR HAMBURG. DROVE ASHORE IN WSW FORCE 6, DRIFTED OFF AND SANK. (LLOYDS REPORT OF CASUALTY 14.9.1896 & SIBI).

Surveying Details : **H1310/81/32 2.12.81 MACKINTOSH RK NOW SUPPORTS N. PIER OF FORTH ROAD BRIDGE. SUSPECT WK REMOVED. (I G WHITTAKER, 18.11.81). NCA.

POSITIONS BELOW THIS POINT ARE IN DEGREES, MINUTES AND DECIMALS OF A MINUTE

**6.10.08 DUPLICATE RECORD. DETAILS TRANSFERRED TO 2865.

Charting Comments : POSN FOR FILING ONLY DUPLICATE RECORD SEE 2865

Date Last Amended : 04/10/2008

Date Position Last Amended : 15/01/1982

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