Chingford: Crail, Firth Of Forth
Steamship (20th Century)
Site Name Chingford: Crail, Firth Of Forth
Classification Steamship (20th Century)
Alternative Name(s) Sauchope Caravan Site; Kilminnings Sands; Kilminning Sands; Outer Forth Estuary; Chingford
Canmore ID 96718
Site Number NO60NW 8013
NGR NO 63081 08331
Datum WGS84 - Lat/Long
Permalink http://canmore.org.uk/site/96718
- Council Fife
- Parish Maritime - Fife
- Former Region Fife
- Former District Maritime
- Former County Not Applicable
NO60NW 8013 6308 0833
N56 15.9667 W2 35.7667
NLO: Crail [name: NO 614 077]
Kilminning Castle [name: NO 632 085]
Fife Ness [name: NO 638 098].
The Dundee steamer Chingford, which left Dundee on Monday night for Grangemouth, was driven ashore yesterday morning, a few miles east of Crail during a severe SW storm. Anstruther and Brought Ferry lifeboats went to her assistance. Great rollers were sweeping over the Chingford, sending up huge clouds of spray.
Crail LSA was rushed to the scene, and efforts made to establish [incomplete account].
Source: Fife Free Press, 27 December 1924.
CHINGFORD ashore near Crail with a part cargo of wood and a total loss. A contract has been made with salvage Association of London for salvage of wood, mostly redwood battens.
Source: Glasgow University Business Archives, UGD95/1/4 Glasgow Salvage Association, minutes 5 Feb 1925.
CHINGFORD. The wreckage is broken up. The stern can be located by finding the only piece of sandy beach at the caravan site, then diving between 2 rock spines. The forward section is further offshore. Depth 6 metres with wreckage rising 2 to 3 metres.
Source: Butland & Siedlecki, BSAC Wreck Register, Scotland 1, 1987.
Quality of fix = PA
Horizontal Datum = OGB
General water depth = 6
Orientation of keel/wreck = NS
Circumstances of Loss Details
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The vessel ran ashore on the Kilminnings Sands, Crail and became a total loss. The CHINGFORD was on passage from Trangsund to Grangemouth.
Source: Lloyds.
Surveying Details
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24 December 1982. It is reported that the vessel is broken up, lying with her keel orientated 000/180 degrees with the stern section inshore, in a general water depth of 6 metres. The vessel stands 2 to 3 metres high. The position given is 56 15 58N, 002 35 46W.
Source: BSAC Wreck Register, Vol.6.
3 February 1993. The keel, propeller shaft and a 4-bladed propellor lie close inshore, off the caravan site at Crail. The forward end of keel is just visible at low water.
Source: R N Baird, Register of Scottish wrecks.
20 January 1994. The site was not found.
Report by Oceonics (UK) Ltd.
Hydrographic Office 1995.
Location cited as Kilminning Sands at N56 15.75 W2 36.0 [NO c. 651 083, on map sheet NO60NE].
NMRS, MS/829/1.
(Classified as steel steamship, with cargo of timber: date of loss cited as 23 December 1924). Chingford: this vessel was wrecked at Kilminning Sands.
Registration: Dundee, Built 1889. 1517 grt. Length: 80m. Beam: 11m.
(Location of loss cited as N56 15.07 W2 35.55).
I G Whittaker 1998.
The location assigned to this record remains unverified. Kilminning Sands cannot be specifically identified from the available map evidence, but the 1996 edition of the OS 1:50,000 map applies the name Kilminning Castle to a promontory at NO 632 086.
The current chart indicates no wrecks near the cited location.
Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 9 September 2010.
UKHO chart no. 175 (1977, revised 1996).
Loss (23 December 1924)
The Dundee steamer Chingford, which left Dundee on Monday night for Grangemouth, was driven ashore yesterday morning, a few miles east of Crail during a severe SW storm. Anstruther and Brought Ferry lifeboats went to her assistance. Great rollers were sweeping over the Chingford, sending up huge clouds of spray.
Crail LSA was rushed to the scene, and efforts made to establish [incomplete account].
Source: Fife Free Press, 27 December 1924.
CHINGFORD ashore near Crail with a part cargo of wood and a total loss. A contract has been made with salvage Association of London for salvage of wood, mostly redwood battens.
Source: Glasgow University Business Archives, UGD95/1/4 Glasgow Salvage Association, minutes 5 Feb 1925.
(Classified as steel steamship, with cargo of timber: date of loss cited as 23 December 1924). Chingford: this vessel was wrecked at Kilminning Sands.
Registration: Dundee, Built 1889. 1517 grt. Length: 80m. Beam: 11m.
(Location of loss cited as N56 15.07 W2 35.55).
I G Whittaker 1998.
Evidence Of Loss (1987)
CHINGFORD. The wreckage is broken up. The stern can be located by finding the only piece of sandy beach at the caravan site, then diving between 2 rock spines. The forward section is further offshore. Depth 6 metres with wreckage rising 2 to 3 metres.
Source: Butland & Siedlecki, BSAC Wreck Register, Scotland 1, 1987.
Evidence Of Loss (June 1995)
Location cited as Kilminning Sands at N56 15.75 W2 36.0 [NO c. 651 083, on map sheet NO60NE].
NMRS, MS/829/1.
Evidence Of Loss (1995)
Quality of fix = PA
Horizontal Datum = OGB
General water depth = 6
Orientation of keel/wreck = NS
Circumstances of Loss Details
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The vessel ran ashore on the Kilminnings Sands, Crail and became a total loss. The CHINGFORD was on passage from Trangsund to Grangemouth.
Source: Lloyds.
Surveying Details
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24 December 1982. It is reported that the vessel is broken up, lying with her keel orientated 000/180 degrees with the stern section inshore, in a general water depth of 6 metres. The vessel stands 2 to 3 metres high. The position given is 56 15 58N, 002 35 46W.
Source: BSAC Wreck Register, Vol.6.
3 February 1993. The keel, propeller shaft and a 4-bladed propellor lie close inshore, off the caravan site at Crail. The forward end of keel is just visible at low water.
Source: R N Baird, Register of Scottish wrecks.
20 January 1994. The site was not found.
Report by Oceonics (UK) Ltd.
Hydrographic Office 1995.
Note (9 September 2010)
The location assigned to this record remains unverified. Kilminning Sands cannot be specifically identified from the available map evidence, but the 1996 edition of the OS 1:50,000 map applies the name Kilminning Castle to a promontory at NO 632 086.
The current chart indicates no wrecks near the cited location.
Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 9 September 2010.
UKHO chart no. 175 (1977, revised 1996).
Reference (2011)
Whittaker ID : 2201
Name : CHINGFORD
Latitude : 561504
Longitude : 23533
Date Built : 1889
Registration : DUNDEE
Type : SS (STEEL)
Tonnage : 1517
Tonnage Code : G
Length : 80
Beam : 11
Draught : 6m
Loss Day : 23
Loss Month : 12
Loss Year : 1924
Comment : Wrecked at Kilminning Sands.
Cargo : TIMBER
Reference (19 April 2012)
UKHO Identifier : 002971
Feature Class : Wreck
State : DEAD
Classification : Unclassified
Position (Lat/long) : 56.26611,-2.59611
Horizontal Datum : ORDNANCE SURVEY OF GREAT BRITAIN (1936)
WGS84 Position (Lat/long) : 56.26602,-2.59763
WGS84 Origin : 3-D Cartesian Shift (BW)
Previous Position : 56.26612,-2.59612
Position Quality : Unreliable
Depth Quality : Depth unknown
Water Depth : 6
Vertical Datum : Lowest Astronomical Tide
Name : CHINGFORD
Type : SS
Flag : BRITISH
Length : 80.5
Beam : 11.3
Draught : 5.5
Orientation : 0.0
Tonnage : 1517
Tonnage Type : Gross
Cargo : TIMBER
Date Sunk : 23/12/1924
Contact Description : Notable debris
Original Sensor : None reported
Last Sensor : Other
Original Detection Year : 1982
Last Detection Year : 1993
Original Source : Other
Last Source : Other
Circumstances of Loss : **RAN ASHORE ON THE KILMINNINGS SANDS, CRAIL, FIFESHIRE, AND BECAME A TOTAL LOSS. PASSAGE TRANGSUND FOR GRANGEMOUTH.
Surveying Details : **24.12.82 REPORTED AS BROKEN UP, LYING N/S, WITH STERN SECTION INSHORE, IN GEN DEPTH OF 6MTRS AND STANDING 2 TO 3MTRS HIGH. POSN 561558N, 023546W. (BSAC WK REGISTER, VOL.6). NCA YET.
**3.2.93 KEEL, PROPELLER SHAFT AND 4-BLADED PROP. LIE CLOSE INSHORE OFF CARAVAN SITE, CRAIL. THE FOR'D END OF KEEL IS JUST VISIBLE AT LW. (R N BAIRD, REG. OF SCOTTISH WRECKS).
**HH090/605/01 20.1.94 NOT FOUND. (OCEONICS (UK) LTD., HI 605).
Charting Comments : POSN FOR FILING ONLY
Date Last Amended : 18/07/2002
Date Position Last Amended : 24/01/1994
