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President: Whalt Point, Eyemouth, North Sea

Steamship (20th Century)

Site Name President: Whalt Point, Eyemouth, North Sea

Classification Steamship (20th Century)

Alternative Name(s) Vnestorg; Neath Abbey; Agate Point; Whalt Point; Whapness; Wapness Point; Whup Ness; St Abb's Head; Firth Of Forth; Outer Forth Estuary; President

Canmore ID 119932

Site Number NT96SE 8003

NGR NT 9540 6437

Datum WGS84 - Lat/Long

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Administrative Areas

  • Council Scottish Borders, The
  • Parish Maritime - Scottish Borders, The
  • Former Region Borders
  • Former District Maritime
  • Former County Not Applicable

Archaeology Notes

NT96SE 8003 9541 6406

N55 52.185 W2 4.400

NLO: Eyemouth [name: NT 945 644]

St Abbs Head [name: NT 911 694].

Location formerly entered as NT 9556 6387 (N55 52 W2 4.2) and as NT c. 955 641 [N55 52.2 W2 4.3].

Formerly also entered as NT97NW 8002 and NT97NW 8012 at cited location NT 9217 7585 [N55 54 W2 7.5], and as NT96NW 8052 at cited location NT c. 91 68 [N55 54 W2 9].

Horizontal Datum = UND

Circumstances of Loss Details

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29 June 1967. The vessel went ashore at Whapness, near Eyemouth, on a voyage from Hamburg to Methil.

Surveying Details

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29 June 1967. The ship is reported to have been located by RAF Binbrook Aub Aqua Club, one quarter mile SE of St Abbs Head.

17 August 1970. The wreck was rediscovered by Mr Kerr (BSAC diver).

Source: Hydrographic Office 1995.

(Classified as steel steamship, in ballast: former names cited as Vnestorg, Neath Abbey and President, and date of loss as 29 April 1928). President: this vessel was wrecked at Wapness Point, Eyemouth.

Registration: Sunderland. Built 1907. 1945grt. Length: 84m. Beam: 12m.

(Location of loss cited as N55 52.25 W2 4.5).

I G Whittaker 1998.

The wreck is now completely broken up in 5-15m. The plates are covered in soft corals and kelp.

Source: Diver magazine, [year not stated] p 21

(Location cited as N55 52.185 W2 4.400 [NT 9541 6406]. President: the broken remains of this vessel lie in about 17m depth of water, the depth to the highest point being about 5m at low water. The wreckage stands generally about 1m high, and occupies an area measuring about 25x10m, being concentrated around the two boilers. Other recognisable features include ribs and a winch (presumably for anchorwork).

(Results of wildlife survey noted).

Visited by Mrs A Fuller-Shapcott (NAS), 18 June 2006.

MS/2956.

Neither Whaltness, Whapness nor Wapness Point is noted as such on the 1995 edition of the OS 1:50,000 map. The OS (GIS) AIB notes Whalt Point at NT 955 638.

Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 13 November 2006.

Activities

Reference (2011)

Whittaker ID : 2

Name : PRESIDENT (EX. VNESTORG, ...)

Latitude : 555215

Longitude : 20430

Date Built : 1907

Registration : SUNDERLAND

Type : SS (STEEL)

Tonnage : 1945

Tonnage Code : G

Length : 84

Beam : 12

Draught : 6m

Position : Position Approximate

Loss Day : 29

Loss Month : 4

Loss Year : 1928

Comment : Wrecked at Wapness Point, Eyemouth.

Cargo : BALLAST

Reference (19 April 2012)

UKHO Identifier : 004217

Feature Class : Wreck

State : LIVE

Classification : Unclassified

Position (Lat/long) : 55.87250,-2.07500

Horizontal Datum : UNDETERMINED

WGS84 Position (Lat/long) : 55.87250,-2.07500

WGS84 Origin : Undefined

Previous Position : 55.87250,-2.07500

Position Method : Global Positioning System

Position Quality : Precisely known

Depth Quality : Depth unknown

Water Depth : 6

Vertical Datum : Lowest Astronomical Tide

Name : PRESIDENT

Type : SS

Flag : BRITISH

Length : 85.3

Beam : 12.5

Draught : 5.5

Tonnage : 1945

Tonnage Type : Gross

Cargo : IN BALLAST

Date Sunk : 29/04/1928

Bottom Texture : Rock

Contact Description : Entire wreck

Original Sensor : Other

Last Sensor : Diver Sighting

Original Detection Year : 1928

Last Detection Year : 2003

Original Source : Other

Last Source : Divers

Circumstances of Loss : **WENT ASHORE AT WHAPNESS, NEAR EYEMOUTH, ON VOYAGE FROM HAMBURG TO METHIL.

**VESSEL, BUILT 1907, RAN GROUND IN THICK FOG ON ROCKY REEF WHUP NESS. CREW CLIMBED ASHORE BY MEANS OF A LADDER.

(DIVE ST ABBS & EYEMOUTH)

Surveying Details : **29.6.67 REPD TO HAVE BEEN LOCATED 0.25M SE OF ST ABBS HD. (RAF BINBROOK SAC). POSN 555400N, 020730W FOR FILING ONLY.

**17.8.70 FOUND BY MR KERR (BSAC) OF 59 HIGH ST, COCKENZIE, E. LOTHIAN.

POSITIONS BELOW THIS POINT ARE IN DEGREES, MINUTES AND DECIMALS OF A MINUTE

**12.1.99 REPD TO LIE S OF EYEMOUTH AND COVERED IN SOFT CORALS AND KELP. (DIVER MAGAZINE JAN'99). NCA.

**HH090/915/01 17.1.02 NOT LOCATED IN 5554.00N, 0207.500W. (GARDLINE, HI 915). AMENDED DEAD. NCA.

**7.1.04 WK OF PRESIDENT LIES IN GULLY OFF AGATE POINT, EYEMOUTH. VESSEL IS COMPLETELY BROKEN UP, WITH ONLY THE BOILERS STANDING PROUD OF THE SEABED, A WINCH IS ALSO VISIBLE [PHOTO]. (DIVER MAGAZINE JAN'04) AMENDED BACK TO LIVE, EXISTING SCALES TOO SMALL, POSN FOR FILING ONLY AMENDED TO 5552.40N, 0204.70W [WGD].

**15.1.04 POSN GIVEN AS 5552.350N, 0204.500W USING GPS [DATUM NOT STATED]. GROUNDED IN A CHANNEL BETWEEN ROCKS, STERN TO SHORE. VESSEL WAS COMPLETELY DESTROYED, ONLY MAIN BOILERS SIT UPRIGHT IN SANDY GULLY IN 12MTRS, WKGE, STEEL PLATES & GIRDERS, SCATTERED OVER WIDE AREA IN DEPTHS 1-20MTRS. SALVAGE RIGHTS OWNED BY EYEMOUTH & DISTRICT SAC. PHOTO OF GROUNDED VESSEL. (DIVE ST ABBS & EYEMOUTH, PUBLISHED 1998)

Charting Comments : EXISTING SCALES TOO SMALL

Date Last Amended : 15/01/2004

Date Position Last Amended : 15/01/2004

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