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Hms/m Vandal: Inchmarnock Water, Sound Of Bute, Firth Of Clyde

Submarine (20th Century)

Site Name Hms/m Vandal: Inchmarnock Water, Sound Of Bute, Firth Of Clyde

Classification Submarine (20th Century)

Alternative Name(s) P64; Lochranza Bay; Loch Ranza; Newton Point; '282 Deg 2.5 Miles [from] Inchmarnock?'; Outer Clyde Estuary; Hms Vandal

Canmore ID 119151

Site Number NR95SW 8002

NGR NR 9069 5332

Datum Datum not recorded

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Administrative Areas

  • Council North Ayrshire
  • Parish Maritime - North Ayrshire
  • Former Region Strathclyde
  • Former District Maritime
  • Former County Not Applicable

Archaeology Notes

NR95SW 8002 9069 5332

N55 43.683 W5 20.017

NLO: Sound of Bute [name centred NS 01 55]

Newton Point [name: NR 931 515]

Loch Ranza [name centred NR 931 510]

Lochranza [name: NR 932 505]

Inchmarnock [name: NS 02 59].

Formerly entered as NR85SE 2 and NS14SE 1, and also as NR85SE 8002 at cited location NR 8823 5415 [N55 43.8 W5 22.4].

For alternative locations formerly cited at NR 8819 5365 (Kilbrannnan Sound) and NS 1867 4179 (Ardrossan/Saltcoats), see NR85SE 8001 and NS14SE 8001 respectively.

(Classified as submarine: date of loss cited as 24 February 1943). HMS [HMS/M} Vandal: this vessel was lost on exercise, 282 deg 2.5 miles [from] Inchmarnock?

Registration: London. Built 1942. 545 tons displacement. Length: 60m. Beam: 5m.

(Location of loss cited as N55 48.00 W5 14.00).

I G Whittaker 1998.

Displacement: 545/740 tons

Length: 200ft (61m) between perpendiculars; 206ft (62.8m) over all

Beam: 16ft (4.9m)

Draught: 12ft 9ins (3.9m)

Machinery: 2-shaft diesel electrics (Davey Paxman/General Electric); 800/760 bhp; 13/10 kts

Armament: 1 x 3in (76mm) gun; 3 x machine guns; 4 x 21in (533mm) torpedo tubes (all fixed forward)

Diving depth: 200ft (61m)

Complement: 37

This V class submarine (essentially a unit of the second group of the U class) was built as P64, being launched by Vickers-Armstrong at Barrow on 23 November 1942. She was 'wrecked' in the Firth of Clyde (where she presumably served as a training boat) on 24 February 1943.

Originally intended as training boats, the numerous boats of U and V classes were of single hull construction with bulbous bow casings; these were later removed and the second group was lengthened aft to improve water flow around the propellers.

Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 13 February 2003.

H T Lenton and J J Colledge 1962; H T Lenton 1972.

Neither plans nor photographs of this vessel are held in the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich.

Information from Ms G Fabri (NMM), 7 November 2003.

Length: 62.5m

Beam: 4.9m

Draught: 4m

Displacement: 740 tons.

This vessel was lost on 24 December 1943 while exercising in Inchmarnock Water, Firth of Clyde, under the command of Lt JS Bridger. A complement of 37 was embarked. She left Lochranza Bay on that morning, and a smoke candle was later seen.

The wreck remained unlocated until 26 June 1994: video imagery taken from HMS Hurworth on 5 January 1995 served to identify the vessel but no diver survey was apparently undertaken. The location was established as N55 43.683 W5 20.017, in 95m depth of water at LAT. The vessel remains complete and lies orientated 105/285 on a sandy seabed, on her port side with a 30 degree list.

NMRS, MS/1745.

The location cited for this wreck lies roughly midway between Arran and Kintyre, about 1.65nm WNW of Newton Point, and in a charted depth of about 71m. The seabed locally appears to be of mixed type and the wreck is not buoyed. No reason for the loss has apparently been established.

Inchmarnock Water is not noted as such on the 2001 edition of the OS 1:50,000 map. The name presumably applies to part or all of the Sound of Bute.

Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 19 March 2004.

HO chart no. 2221 (1975, revised 1992).

Listed ('HMS Vandal') as Designated vessel ['Protected Place'] under PMRA 1986: no location specified.

MS/5253.

Activities

Loss (24 February 1943)

(Classified as submarine: date of loss cited as 24 February 1943). HMS [HMS/M} Vandal: this vessel was lost on exercise, 282 deg 2.5 miles [from] Inchmarnock?

Registration: London. Built 1942. 545 tons displacement. Length: 60m. Beam: 5m.

(Location of loss cited as N55 48.00 W5 14.00).

I G Whittaker 1998.

Note (13 February 2003)

Displacement: 545/740 tons

Length: 200ft (61m) between perpendiculars; 206ft (62.8m) over all

Beam: 16ft (4.9m)

Draught: 12ft 9ins (3.9m)

Machinery: 2-shaft diesel electrics (Davey Paxman/General Electric); 800/760 bhp; 13/10 kts

Armament: 1 x 3in (76mm) gun; 3 x machine guns; 4 x 21in (533mm) torpedo tubes (all fixed forward)

Diving depth: 200ft (61m)

Complement: 37

This V class submarine (essentially a unit of the second group of the U class) was built as P64, being launched by Vickers-Armstrong at Barrow on 23 November 1942. She was 'wrecked' in the Firth of Clyde (where she presumably served as a training boat) on 24 February 1943.

Originally intended as training boats, the numerous boats of U and V classes were of single hull construction with bulbous bow casings; these were later removed and the second group was lengthened aft to improve water flow around the propellers.

Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 13 February 2003.

H T Lenton and J J Colledge 1962; H T Lenton 1972.

External Reference (7 November 2003)

Neither plans nor photographs of this vessel are held in the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich.

Information from Ms G Fabri (NMM), 7 November 2003.

External Reference (10 March 2004)

Length: 62.5m

Beam: 4.9m

Draught: 4m

Displacement: 740 tons.

This vessel was lost on 24 December 1943 while exercising in Inchmarnock Water, Firth of Clyde, under the command of Lt JS Bridger. A complement of 37 was embarked. She left Lochranza Bay on that morning, and a smoke candle was later seen.

The wreck remained unlocated until 26 June 1994: video imagery taken from HMS Hurworth on 5 January 1995 served to identify the vessel but no diver survey was apparently undertaken. The location was established as N55 43.683 W5 20.017, in 95m depth of water at LAT. The vessel remains complete and lies orientated 105/285 on a sandy seabed, on her port side with a 30 degree list.

NMRS, MS/1745.

Note (19 March 2004)

The location cited for this wreck lies roughly midway between Arran and Kintyre, about 1.65nm WNW of Newton Point, and in a charted depth of about 71m. The seabed locally appears to be of mixed type and the wreck is not buoyed. No reason for the loss has apparently been established.

Inchmarnock Water is not noted as such on the 2001 edition of the OS 1:50,000 map. The name presumably applies to part or all of the Sound of Bute.

Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 19 March 2004.

HO chart no. 2221 (1975, revised 1992).

External Reference (1 April 2008)

Listed ('HMS Vandal') as Designated vessel ['Protected Place'] under PMRA 1986: no location specified.

MS/5253.

Reference (2011)

Whittaker ID : 297

Name : HMS VANDAL

Latitude : 554800

Longitude : 51400

Date Built : 1942

Registration : LONDON

Type : SUBMARINE

Tonnage : 545

Tonnage Code : D

Length : 60

Beam : 5

Loss Day : 24

Loss Month : 2

Loss Year : 1943

Comment : Lost on exercise, 282 deg 2.5 miles Inchmarnock ?

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