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Caroline: Hoe Point, Duirinish, Skye, Sea Of The Hebrides
Steamship (19th Century)
Site Name Caroline: Hoe Point, Duirinish, Skye, Sea Of The Hebrides
Classification Steamship (19th Century)
Alternative Name(s) Ansgarius; Hooe Point; Damsel Rocks; Lorgill Bay; Little Minch; Unknown; Caroline (Ex. Ansgarius)
Canmore ID 103025
Site Number NG14SE 8001
NGR NG 16884 40346
Datum WGS84 - Lat/Long
Permalink http://canmore.org.uk/site/103025
- Council Highland
- Parish Maritime - Highland
- Former Region Highland
- Former District Maritime
- Former County Not Applicable
NG14SE 8001 1688 4034
N57 21.9333 W6 42.5667
NLO: Hoe Point [name: NG 165 409]
Lorgill Bay [name: NG 174 409]
Skye [name centred NG 45 35].
Formerly entered as NG14SE 8514.
17 January 1887. CAROLINE. 14 years of Norway. Wood steamship. 380 ton. 15 crew. Master S. Botner. Owner N.H. Knudsen, Christiansund [Christiansand], Norway. Cadiz to Christiansand. Salt and wine. 15 dead. Wind SSW9. Lorgill Bay, Skye.
Source: PP Abstracts of Shipping Casualties on Coasts, or in Rivers and Harbours of the UK July 1886-87 (1888 [C.5479] XC.735).
NMRS, MS/829/68 (no. 1779).
Quality of fix = EDM
Evidence = Echo sounder
Horizontal Datum = OGB
General water depth = 28
Surveying Details
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16 October 1970. The remains of large iron hoops (part of wreck/wreckage) lie on the beach next to Damsel Rocks - indicating a wreck nearby. The locals report a vessel sinking in this area in mid 1930's. The wreck was located by sub aqua divers during the summer of 1970.
Report by B R Johnson, 7 October 1970.
17 July 1986. A possible wreck was located by a submersible on 29 September 1985 at 57 21 56N, 006 42 34W. Trisponder ranges - from Wiay (h) 30362 metres; from Hairy (m) 4187 metres. Decca = (hebridean) red 1d 12.20 green if 37.60, purple 1a 59.05. The least echosounder depth was 17.9 in a general depth of 28 metres. A scour to the depth of 6 metres was observed. The site was not fully examined.
Report by HMS FOX.
Hydrographic Office, 1995.
(Classified as wooden steamship, with cargo of salt and wine: former name cited as Ansgarius, and date of loss as 17 January 1887). Caroline: this vessel was wrecked at Lorgill Bay, and lies in four sections across an area 600 yards in extent. Capt. Botner. (Built 1873?).
Registration: Norwegian. Built 1863. 516grt. Length: 48m. Beam: 9m.
(Location of loss cited as N57 22.17 W6 42.75).
I G Whittaker 1998.
Hoe Point and Lorgill Bay are situated on the exposed SW side of the Duirinish peninsula.
Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 7 August 2008.
Loss (17 January 1887)
(Classified as wooden steamship, with cargo of salt and wine: former name cited as Ansgarius, and date of loss as 17 January 1887). Caroline: this vessel was wrecked at Lorgill Bay, and lies in four sections across an area 600 yards in extent. Capt. Botner. (Built 1873?).
Registration: Norwegian. Built 1863. 516grt. Length: 48m. Beam: 9m.
(Location of loss cited as N57 22.17 W6 42.75).
I G Whittaker 1998.
Note (7 August 2008)
Hoe Point and Lorgill Bay are situated on the exposed SW side of the Duirinish peninsula.
Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 7 August 2008.
Reference (2011)
Whittaker ID : 1460
Name : CAROLINE (EX. ANSGARIUS)
Latitude : 572210
Longitude : 64245
Date Built : 1863
Registration : NORWEGIAN
Type : SS (WOOD)
Tonnage : 516
Tonnage Code : G
Length : 48
Beam : 9
Draught : 5m
Loss Day : 17
Loss Month : 1
Loss Year : 1887
Comment : Wrecked at Lorgill Bay, in 4 sections covering 600 yds. Capt. Botner (B:1873?)
Cargo : SALT AND WINE
Reference (19 April 2012)
UKHO Identifier : 001910
Feature Class : Wreck
Wreck Category : Dangerous wreck
State : LIVE
Classification : Unclassified
Position (Lat/long) : 57.36556,-6.70944
Horizontal Datum : ORDNANCE SURVEY OF GREAT BRITAIN (1936)
WGS84 Position (Lat/long) : 57.36526,-6.71044
WGS84 Origin : 3-D Cartesian Shift (BW)
Previous Position : 57.36945,-6.71250
Position Method : Electronic Distance Measuring System
Position Quality : Surveyed
Position Accuracy : 25.0
Depth : 17.9
Depth Method : Found by echo-sounder
Depth Quality : Least depth known
Water Depth : 28
Water Level Effect : Always under water/submerged
Vertical Datum : Lowest Astronomical Tide
Name : UNKNOWN
Type : LARGE IRON HOOPS
Scour Depth : 6.0
Contact Description : Notable debris
Original Sensor : Diver Sighting
Last Sensor : Acoustic Sensor
Original Detection Year : 1970
Last Detection Year : 1986
Original Source : Divers
Last Source : Survey Vessel
Surveying Details : **H4427/70 16.10.70 REMAINS OF LARGE IRON HOOPS (PART OF WRECK/WRECKAGE) LIE ON THE BEACH NEXT TO DAMSEL RKS. LOCALS REPORT VESSEL SINKING IN THIS AREA IN MID 1930'S. LOCATED BY SUB AQUA DIVERS DURING SUMMER 1970. (B R JOHNSON, 7.10.70).
**H2887/83 17.7.86 POSSIBLE WK LOCATED 29.9.85 IN 572156N, 064234W [OGB] USING TRISPONDER [2 LOP]. LEAST E/S DEPTH 17.9 IN GEN DEPTH 28MTRS, SCOUR DEPTH 6MTRS. NOT FULLY EXAM'D. (HMS FOX, HI 166). INS AS WK 17.9MTRS. BR STD.
Chart Symbol : WK 17.9
Date Last Amended : 22/01/2001
Date Position Last Amended : 31/07/1986
