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Hms Prince Phillipe (Possibly): North Channel
Armed Merchant Cruiser (20th Century)
Site Name Hms Prince Phillipe (Possibly): North Channel
Classification Armed Merchant Cruiser (20th Century)
Alternative Name(s) Corsewall Point; Irish Sea
Canmore ID 102644
Site Number NW88SE 8001
NGR NW 8592 8051
Datum Datum not recorded
Permalink http://canmore.org.uk/site/102644
- Council Dumfries And Galloway
- Parish Maritime - Dumfries And Galloway
- Former Region Dumfries And Galloway
- Former District Maritime
- Former County Not Applicable
NW88SE 8001 8592 8051
N55 4.3667 W5 21.2167
NLO: Corsewall Point [name: NW 980 728].
Formerly entered as NW88SE 1 and NW88SE 9274.
See also NB41SE 8003.
(Classified as LSI(S) [Landing Ship, Infantry, Small]).
Displacement: 2938grt.
Dimensions: 360ft [109.8m] between perpendiculars, 370ft [112.8m] overall x 46ft [14m] x 13.75ft [4.2m]
Machinery: 2-shaft diesel motors (17000bhp) = 23 kts
Armament: 2x12 pdr AA (2x1), 2x2pdr AA (2x1), 6x20mm AA (6x1) guns
Complement: 200
Pendant no. 4.35.
Prince Phillipe: this vessel was built by Cockerill [Hoboken] 29 September 1939, and converted in 1941 to carry 250 troops and eight LCA's [Landing Craft Assault]. She was lost on 15 July 1941.
H T Lenton and J J Colledge 1968.
Quality of fix = HF
Evidence = Echo sounder
Horizontal Datum = OGB
General water depth = 61
Orientation of keel/wreck = 170350
Circumstances of Loss Details
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The HMS PRINCE PHILLIPE was a Belgian vessel requisitioned and used as raiding craft carrier. It sank following a collision with an unknown vessel.
Source: Dictionary of Disasters at Sea
Surveying Details
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1945. Sonar contact indicates a length of 110 feet (33 metres), and a height of 11.5 metres in 55 04 12N, 005 21 06W. The wreck lies on an orientation of 150/230 degrees.
Source: Western Approaches List.
17 January 1945. A good contact was obtained at 55 04 12N, 005 21 06W. It was classified as rock.
20 July 1972. This site is undoubtedly a wreck. It was located at 55 04 22N, 005 21 13W. The least echosounder depth was 49.8 in a general depth of 61 metres.
Report by HMS FOX.
12 September 1972. The site was located by decca - purple e 56.89 [u]. The least echosounder depth was 49.8 metres. A scour 2 metres deep was observed. The length is 320 feet (97.5 metres) approximately. It lies with its keel on an orientation of 170/350 degrees. It is thought to be too large to be the wreck of the BUFFALO.
Report by HMS FOX.
8 November 1982. A wreck is listed at decca [n brit] red f 3.50, purple e 56.50. The conversion gives 55 04 20N, 05 21 99W.
Source: Kingfisher trawling plot - a-plot 7, 1982.
Hydrographic Office, 1995.
(Classified as Landing Ship: date of loss cited as 15 July 1941). [HMS] Prince Philippe: this vessel was in collision and sank 8 miles NW of Corsewall Point (Empire Wave).
Registration: Belgian. Built 1939. 2938grt. Length: 107m. Beam: 15m.
(Location of loss cited as N55 4.37 W5 21.22).
I G Whittaker 1998.
This wreck is charted [Wk} at a depth of 50m on a broadly level seabed in about 60m charted depth of water. No seabed type is indicated locally.
The equation of this wreck with the reported loss of the Prince Philippe remains unverified. For an alternative suggested location of loss in the North Minch, see NB41SE 8003.
Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 1 May 2007.
UKHO chart no. 2199 (1978, revised 1989).
Loss (15 July 1941)
(Classified as LSI(S) [Landing Ship, Infantry, Small]).
Displacement: 2938grt.
Dimensions: 360ft [109.8m] between perpendiculars, 370ft [112.8m] overall x 46ft [14m] x 13.75ft [4.2m]
Machinery: 2-shaft diesel motors (17000bhp) = 23 kts
Armament: 2x12 pdr AA (2x1), 2x2pdr AA (2x1), 6x20mm AA (6x1) guns
Complement: 200
Pendant no. 4.35.
Prince Phillipe: this vessel was built by Cockerill [Hoboken] 29 September 1939, and converted in 1941 to carry 250 troops and eight LCA's [Landing Craft Assault]. She was lost on 15 July 1941.
H T Lenton and J J Colledge 1968.
(Classified as Landing Ship: date of loss cited as 15 July 1941). [HMS] Prince Philippe: this vessel was in collision and sank 8 miles NW of Corsewall Point (Empire Wave).
Registration: Belgian. Built 1939. 2938grt. Length: 107m. Beam: 15m.
(Location of loss cited as N55 4.37 W5 21.22).
I G Whittaker 1998.
Evidence Of Loss (20 July 1972)
Quality of fix = HF
Evidence = Echo sounder
Horizontal Datum = OGB
General water depth = 61
Orientation of keel/wreck = 170/350
Circumstances of Loss Details
-----------------------------
The HMS PRINCE PHILLIPE was a Belgian vessel requisitioned and used as raiding craft carrier. It sank following a collision with an unknown vessel.
Source: Dictionary of Disasters at Sea
Surveying Details
-----------------------------
1945. Sonar contact indicates a length of 110 feet (33 metres), and a height of 11.5 metres in 55 04 12N, 005 21 06W. The wreck lies on an orientation of 150/230 degrees.
Source: Western Approaches List.
17 January 1945. A good contact was obtained at 55 04 12N, 005 21 06W. It was classified as rock.
20 July 1972. This site is undoubtedly a wreck. It was located at 55 04 22N, 005 21 13W. The least echosounder depth was 49.8 in a general depth of 61 metres.
Report by HMS FOX.
12 September 1972. The site was located by decca - purple e 56.89 [u]. The least echosounder depth was 49.8 metres. A scour 2 metres deep was observed. The length is 320 feet (97.5 metres) approximately. It lies with its keel on an orientation of 170/350 degrees. It is thought to be too large to be the wreck of the BUFFALO.
Report by HMS FOX.
8 November 1982. A wreck is listed at decca [n brit] red f 3.50, purple e 56.50. The conversion gives 55 04 20N, 05 21 99W.
Source: Kingfisher trawling plot - a-plot 7, 1982.
Hydrographic Office, 1995.
Note (1 May 2007)
This wreck is charted [Wk} at a depth of 50m on a broadly level seabed in about 60m charted depth of water. No seabed type is indicated locally.
The equation of this wreck with the reported loss of the Prince Philippe remains unverified. For an alternative suggested location of loss in the North Minch, see NB41SE 8003.
Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 1 May 2007.
UKHO chart no. 2199 (1978, revised 1989).
Reference (19 April 2012)
UKHO Identifier : 003820
Feature Class : Wreck
Wreck Category : Non-dangerous wreck
State : LIVE
Classification : Unclassified
Position (Lat/long) : 55.06028,-5.34361
Horizontal Datum : ORDNANCE SURVEY OF GREAT BRITAIN (1936)
WGS84 Position (Lat/long) : 55.06031,-5.34469
WGS84 Origin : 3-D Cartesian Shift (BW)
Position Method : DECCA navigator
Position Quality : Precisely known
Depth Quality : Depth unknown
Water Depth : 55
Vertical Datum : Lowest Astronomical Tide
Name : HMS PRINCE PHILLIPE (PROBABLY)
Type : MV
Flag : BELGIAN
Length : 99.7
Beam : 14.9
Draught : 6.4
Tonnage : 2938
Tonnage Type : Gross
Date Sunk : 15/07/1941
Contact Description : None reported
Original Sensor : Physical Snag
Original Detection Year : 1982
Original Source : Fishing Vessel
Circumstances of Loss : **BUILT IN 1939 IN BELGIUM BY SOC ANON JOHN COCKERIL, HOBOKEN. 24 CYLINDER, 2 STROKE OIL ENGINE OF 2189 BHP, SINGLE SHAFT. HIRED AS AIR TARGET ON 24.7.1940. LANDING SHIP IN 1941, ARMED WITH 2 X 12PDR & 6 X 20MM GUNS. SUNK IN COLLISON WITH 'EMPIRE WAVE' OFF THE W COAST OF SCOTLAND. (SIBI).
Surveying Details : **H5982/82 8.11.82 WK IN 550337N, 052037W. POSN BY DECCA. (KINGFISHER TRAWLING PLOTS, A-PLOT 7, 1982). NCA.
**1972. NOT LOCATED. (HMS FOX, 1972 SURVEY). NCA.
**HH100/351/13 24.11.97 PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT TO BE BONVILSTON BUT IS ALMOST CERTAINLY THE PRINCE PHILLIP. (P C MILLER, FAX DTD 16.11.97). AFTER REVIEW OF DATA, INS AS NDW. BR STD.
Chart Symbol : NDW
Date Last Amended : 24/11/1997
Date Position Last Amended : 22/03/1983
