Mtb 712: Scapa Flow, Orkney
Destroyer (20th Century), Motor Torpedo Boat (20th Century), Obstruction (Period Unassigned)
Site Name Mtb 712: Scapa Flow, Orkney
Classification Destroyer (20th Century), Motor Torpedo Boat (20th Century), Obstruction (Period Unassigned)
Alternative Name(s) E-boat; Gutter Sound; North Point, Whiting Head; Fara; V 78 (Part Of); Mtb 712
Canmore ID 102192
Site Number ND39NW 8008
NGR ND 33106 97304
Datum WGS84 - Lat/Long
Permalink http://canmore.org.uk/site/102192
- Council Orkney Islands
- Parish Maritime - Orkney
- Former Region Orkney Islands Area
- Former District Maritime
- Former County Not Applicable
ND39NW 8008 3310 9730
N58 51.5 W3 9.5833
NLO: Fara [name: ND 329 959]
North Point [name: ND 326 971]
Whiting Point [name: ND 332 969]
Gutter Sound [name centred ND 316 968]
Scapa Flow [name centred HY 36 00].
Formerly entered as ND39NW 8728.
Classified as E-boat.
G Ridley 1992.
Horizontal Datum = UND
General water depth = 10
Surveying Details
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16 October 1975. A motor torpedo boat is reported at 58 51 30N, 003 09 35W. It lies in approx 10mtrs, and is very broken up. The wreck is mentioned in the book 'Jutland to Junkyard' by S C George.
Report by CPO Dunford, RAF Lincoln in a letter dated 15 August 1975.
1 September 1976. A repeat of the above information appears in the RAF Sub Aqua Association newsletter of January 1976.
Hydrographic Office, 1995.
Classified as Motor Torpedo Boat: date of loss cited as 19 July 1945). MTB 712: this vessel was lost off Scapa. This is an MTB [Motor Torpedo Boat], but was reported as a German E-boat (unlikely).
Registration: British.
(Location of loss cited as N58 51.5 W3 9.58).
I G Whittaker 1998.
The location cited for this loss remains unverified. It fallsNE of the island of Fara, being E of North Point and N of Whiting Point (both coastal features on Fara). The former citation of this loss within Gutter Sound (to the W of Fara) is incorrect.
Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 30 March 2007.
Reference (2011)
Whittaker ID : 1082
Name : MTB 712
Latitude : 585130
Longitude : 30935
Registration : BRITISH
Type : MOTOR TORP. BOAT
Loss Day : 19
Loss Month : 7
Loss Year : 1945
Comment : Lost off Scapa. This is an MTB but reported a German E-boat (unlikely)
Reference (19 April 2012)
UKHO Identifier : 001034
Feature Class : Obstn
Obstruction Category : Foul ground
State : LIVE
Classification : Unclassified
Position (Lat/long) : 58.85792,-3.16130
Horizontal Datum : ETRS 1989
WGS84 Position (Lat/long) : 58.85792,-3.16130
WGS84 Origin : Block Shift
Previous Position : 58.85833,-3.15972
Position Quality : Precisely known
Depth Quality : Depth unknown
Water Depth : 23
Vertical Datum : Mean Low Water Springs
Name : V 78 (PART OF)
Type : DESTROYER
Flag : GERMAN
Length : 82.0
Beam : 8.3
Draught : 3.4
Tonnage : 1188
Tonnage Type : Displacement
Date Sunk : 21/06/1919
Bottom Texture : Sand
Contact Description : Notable debris
Original Sensor : Diver Sighting
Last Sensor : Diver Sighting
Original Detection Year : 1975
Last Detection Year : 1998
Original Source : Other
Last Source : Other
Circumstances of Loss : **BUILT 1916 BY A.G. VULCAN, STETTIN. SEIZED 22.11.18, INTERNED IN SCAPA FLOW & SCUTTLED ON 21.6.1919. (K HEATH & DIE DEUTSCHEN KRIEGSSCHIFFE)
Surveying Details : **H1287/75 16.10.75 POSN 585130N, 030935W. LIES IN APPROX 10MTRS, MTB VERY BROKEN UP. MENTIONED IN 'JUTLAND TO JUNKYARD' BY S.C. GEORGE. NOT SHOWN ON COMPUTER PRINTOUT OR CHARTS. (CPO DUNFORD, RAF LINCOLN, LTR DTD 15.8.75)
**H1287/75 1.9.76 REPEAT OF ABOVE. (RAF SUB AQUA ASSOC. NEWS LETTER JAN '76).
POSITIONS BELOW THIS POINT ARE IN DEGREES, MINUTES AND DECIMALS OF A MINUTE
**25.2.00 THIS IS THE REMAINS OF A TORPEDO BOAT DESTROYER. CONSISTS OF THE BRIDGE SECTION, PART OF ONE FUNNEL AND VARIOUS SCRAPS OF METAL. NO DANGER TO NAVIGATION. (K HEATH, TELECON).
**28.1.05 RECORD REVIEWED. INS AS NDW. BR STD.
**23.8.07 EUT POSN: 5851.475N, 0309.678W. NE 2568.
**1.10.08 DIVED IN 1998. IDENTIFIED AS PART OF BRIDGE OF V 78 FROM RECOVERED TELEGRAPGH STAMPED V78. (K HEATH, E-MAIL DTD 1.10.08).
**6.4.10 RECORD REVIEWED. AMEND FOUL. BR STD.
General Comments : PART OF BRIDGE
Chart Symbol : F
Date Last Amended : 06/04/2010
Date Position Last Amended : 01/10/2008
