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Sms Grosser Kurfurst: Cava Sound, Scapa Flow, Orkney

Salvage Debris (20th Century), Battleship (20th Century)

Site Name Sms Grosser Kurfurst: Cava Sound, Scapa Flow, Orkney

Classification Salvage Debris (20th Century), Battleship (20th Century)

Alternative Name(s) Holm Of Houton; Calf Of Cava; Barrel Of Butter; Point Of Tuberry; Grosser Kurfurst

Canmore ID 102316

Site Number HY30SW 8011

NGR HY 32650 01737

Datum WGS84 - Lat/Long

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Administrative Areas

  • Council Orkney Islands
  • Parish Maritime - Orkney
  • Former Region Orkney Islands Area
  • Former District Maritime
  • Former County Not Applicable

Archaeology Notes

HY30SW 8011 3268 0170

N58 53.8667 W3 10.1

NLO: Holm of Houton [name: HY 315 029]

Calf of Cava [name: HY 322 006]

Cava [name: ND 327 995]

Barrel of Butter [name: HY 352 009]

Point of Tuberry (Cava) [name: HY 334 993]

Stromness [name: HY 253 090]

Scapa Flow [name centred HY 36 00].

For other ships within this group, see:

HY30SW 8002 Dresden (cruiser)

HY30SW 8004 Konig (battleship)

HY30SW 8007 Markgraf (battleship)

HY30SW 8008 Kronprinz Wilhelm (battleship)

HY30SW 8009 Brummer (cruiser)

HY30SW 8010 Koln (cruiser)

HY30SW 8012 Friedrich der Grosse (battleship)

HY30SW 8014 Bayern (battleship)

HY30SE 8003 Frankfurt (cruiser: secondary location)

HY30SE 8004 Emden (cruiser: secondary location)

HY30SE 8005 Bremse (cruiser: secondary location).

Fomerly entered as HY30SW 8857.

For general plans of High Seas Fleet (Internment Formation) wrecks in Scapa Flow, see Van der Vat 1986 (endpapers), Smith 1989, 4, Macdonald 1998, 19 and George 1999, 35.

Raised by Metal Industries, 1938.

P L Smith 1989.

Listed among 'German salvage sites'.

G Ridley 1992.

Horizontal Datum = OGB

Buoyage =

General water depth = 30

Circumstances of Loss Details

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The German battleship GROSSER KURFURST was scuttled.

Surveying Details

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1919. A dangerous wreck, with least depth of 9.1 metres, is reported at 58 53 52N, 003 10 06W.

25 July 1931. The least depth over the wreck is now 11.43 metres.

29 June 1934. The wreck will possibly be salved. It has been sold to Metal Industries Ltd.

16 April 1937. The salvage operation has commenced.

Report by King's Harbour Master, Invergordon. Temporary Notice to Mariners 585/37 issued.

5 May 1938. It is recommended that the position be charted as a foul anchorage.

Reprt by Kings Harbour Master, Invergordon.

20 May 1938. The vessel is now dispersed off Lyness.

Report by Metal Industries Ltd.

1979. The GROSSER KURFURST was raised on 29 April 1938

Source: Jutland to Junkyard, S C George.

16 October 1979. The site is now charted as foul ground.

Hydrographic Office, 1995.

Material reported under RoW amnesty (2001):

A1085 1 brass plug and socket: from seabed at site of scuttle and salvage.

NMRS, MS/829/35.

Length over all: 583ft (177.7m)

Length waterline: 576ft (175.7m)

Beam (extreme): 100ft (30.5m)

Beam (waterline): 97ft (29.5m)

Draught (normal condition): 27ft (8.3m)

Draught (deep load): 30ft (9.3m)

Displacement (standard): 25,797 t

Displacement (full load): 29,669 t

Propulsion: 15 x Schultz-Thorneycroft 3-drum superheated boilers (12 coal, 3 oil: 235 psi wp); 3 x triple-stage Parsons turbines (built by Brown Boveri); direct drive to three shafts; 31,000/35,000 shp nominal; 21/23 kts maximum. (A proposal to fit a diesel engine to the centre shaft was apparently made but abandoned)

Fuel: coal (normal) 1000 tons, maximum 4,400 tons; also 700 tons oil.

Range: 4600nm (8500km) at 19 kts

Armament: 10 x 30.5cm (12ins: 50 cal: twin turrets); 14 x 15cm (5.9ins: 45 cal: single mountings); 6 x 8.8cm (3.5ins: 45 cal: single mountings); 2 x 8.8cm AA (3.5ins: 45 cal: single mountings); 5 x 50cm (19.7ins) torpedo tubes

Armour: Krupp cemented nickel alloy steel (of low carbon, but surface heat treated); lower belt 350mm max; deck 120mm max; turrets 300mm max; conning tower 350mm max

Complement: (variously cited as 1033, 'about 1100' or 1136).

This ship was apparently the first example completed of the four-strong Konig or Koenig class, the fourth class of German Dreadnought battleship and the counterpart to the British 'Queen Elizabeth' class. She was built by Vulcan at Hamburg, being laid down in May 1911, launched on 5 May 1913 and completed in July (also cited as October) 1914. She fought in the Third Battle Squadron at the Battle of Jutland (May 1916), suffering significant damage, and was torpedoed by HMS/M J1 (Cdr N Laurence, RN) on 4 November 1916 during an operation to recover U-20, which had become stranded off the Danish coast. She was also in collision with SMS Kronprinz Wilhelm (HY30SW 8008) while exercising at speed in the Heligoland Bight on 5 March 1917.

In internment, she was consistently the worst-maintained of the heavy ships, and on scuttling she capsized spectacularly to port, her superstructure becoming embedded in the blue clay of the seabed.

The wreck was raised on 29 April 1938 without undue difficulty, under the supervision of R W McCrone for Metal Industries. It was beached temporarily at Lyness for preparation for the tow to Rosyth.

The cited location lies 0.6nm NNE of Calf of Cava light and in a general depth of about 30m. The nature of the seabed is not indicated locally but the location falls on the eastern edge of an extensive area of foul ground.

This ship may be considered as falling within the Cava Sound group of heavy ships and cruisers, which were scuttled within the area defined by Holm of Houton [name: HY 315 029], Calf of Cava [name: HY 322 006], Barrel of Butter [name: HY 352 009] and Point of Tuberry (Cava) [name: HY 334 993]. Cava Sound (which is not noted as such on the chart) may be understood as a relatively deep eastwards extension of Hoy Sound, leading into the broad expanse of Scapa Flow. It has a generally flat bottom at a charted depth of between 30 and 45m; the seabed type is defined sparingly but is apparently of sand and stones.

Apart from the specifically-indicated wrecks, an extensive area of foul ground and numerous obstructions and wrecks attest to the former presence of the High Seas Fleet. The former is situated around N58 53.85 W3 11 [HY 31 01], while the latter form a broad band extending from E to W between about N58 53.8 W3 8.4 [HY 34 01] and N58 53.9 W3 10.8 [HY 32 01].

(For sectional arrangement of Konig class ships (SMS Konig, SMS Markgraf and SMS Kronprinz Wilhelm, see Smith 1989, 22).

Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 7 January 2003.

H M Le Fleming 1961; D Van der Vat 1986; S C George 1999; [Jane] 2001.

HO Chart 35 (1980, revised 1991).

This vessel is considered a 'casualty' rather than a craft on account of its successful salvage, the available evidence being written rather than material. In the absence of diver survey, however, artifacts, fittings and, possibly, structural elements may survive on or in the seabed at the location of scuttling. Depressions in the seabed may also represent the locations of the turrets or superstructure.

Information from RCAHMS (RJCM), 10 January 2003.

Activities

Multi Beam Sonar Scan (16 October 2006 - 20 October 2006)

Multibeam sonar survey on board MV Anglia Sovereign recorded the remains of the salvage sites of the German High Seas Fleet to the west of Cava. At the primary salvage site of Sms Grosser Kurfurst, sonar survey recorded a significant depression in the seabed. A mast lies at the edge of this seabed depression.

Information from Bobby Forbes (Sula Diving) 2006.

Reference (19 April 2012)

UKHO Identifier : 001091

Feature Class : Obstn

Obstruction Category : Foul ground

State : LIVE

Classification : Unclassified

Position (Lat/long) : 58.89735,-3.18280

Horizontal Datum : ORDNANCE SURVEY OF GREAT BRITAIN (1936)

WGS84 Position (Lat/long) : 58.89693,-3.18437

WGS84 Origin : 3-D Cartesian Shift (BW)

Previous Position : 58.89778,-3.16833

Position Quality : Precisely known

Depth Quality : Depth unknown

Water Depth : 30

Vertical Datum : Lowest Astronomical Tide

Name : GROSSER KURFURST

Type : BATTLESHIP

Flag : GERMAN

Length : 176.8

Beam : 29.6

Draught : 8.5

Tonnage : 25390

Tonnage Type : Displacement

Date Sunk : 21/06/1919

Contact Description : Notable debris

Original Sensor : Observed Sinking

Last Sensor : Acoustic Sensor

Original Detection Year : 1919

Last Detection Year : 2010

Original Source : Other

Last Source : Survey Vessel

Circumstances of Loss : **SCUTTLED.

Surveying Details : **H8464/19 DWP (1919), LEAST DEPTH 5FMS, SHOWN IN 585352N, 031006W ON SURVEY [C7953]. INS AS DWP 5FMS (1919). BR STD.

**H62229/23 13.7.23 INS ON NE 3729. NM TO BRING SCALES INTO LINE. - NM 1523/23.

**H5373/31 25.7.31 LEAST DEPTH OVER WK IS NOW 6.25FMS. (AUTHORITY NOT STATED).

**H5326/33 29.6.34 WILL POSSIBLY BE SALVED. SOLD TO METAL INDUSTRIES LTD.

**H3348/35 20.8.35 NO WORK PROCEEDING YET (20.8.35), BUT WRECK MENTIONED IN LETTER IN H3348/35. (KHM INVERGORDON).

**H2294/37 16.4.37 OPERATION COMMENCED. (KHM INVERGORDON). - TNM 585/37.

**H2294/37 5.5.38 RECOMMEND POSN BE CHARTED AS FOUL ANCHORAGE. (KHM INVERGORDON). AMENDED TO FOUL ANCHORAGE (1938) - NM 947/38.

**H2294/37 20.5.38 NOW DISPERSED OFF LYNESS. (METAL INDUSTRIES LTD).

**RAISED 29.4.38. (JUTLAND TO JUNKYARD, S.C. GEORGE).

**16.10.79 NOW CHARTED AS FOUL GROUND. NC 35.

POSITIONS BELOW THIS POINT ARE IN DEGREES, MINUTES AND DECIMALS OF A MINUTE

**29.1.05 LEGEND: 'FOUL GROUND' SHOWN BETWEEN ON 5953.804N, 0310.231W [WGD] ON BA 35 [EDN 5 DTD 27.3.03].

**7.10.10 LOCATED BY M/B IN LISTED POSN WHICH IS EAST END OF SCOUR. (FATHOMS LTD, POST SDC BATHY REPROCESSING). COVERED BY LEGEND 'FOUL GROUND'. NCA.

General Comments : SEE CHART FOR LIMITS OF LEGEND

Chart Symbol : F

Charting Comments : LEGEND: 'FOUL GROUND', FOUL NOT CHARTED

Date Last Amended : 07/10/2010

Date Position Last Amended : 28/01/2005

Side Scan Sonar Survey (4 April 2017)

Side scan sonar image records the following salvage debris at the primary site of Grosser Kurfurst. The remains originate from salvage by Metal Industries of Grosser Kurfurst following raising of the vessel on 26 April 1938, before the ship was towed into shallow water off Rysa.

UTM 30 N (WGS 84 datum) X: 490172; Y 6528667 (SS063) Remains of a spotting top and mast

UTM 30 N (WGS 84 datum) X: 490202; Y 6528615 (SS064) Remains of an aft mast.

Information from ORCA Marine, University of the Highlands and Islands Archaeology Institute and SULA Diving April 2017

Multi Beam Sonar Scan (January 2017)

A multibeam sonar survey undertaken indicates that the main area of wreckage is focused around the heavy foremast and armoured spotting top. The roof of the lower spotting platform has corroded through. The length of mast present is measured at 24m with the entrance to the mast visible. At the base of the mast, are broken remains including at least one searchlight. I. McCartney 2019

Remote Operated Vehicle Survey (14 July 2018 - 28 September 2018)

Remote video inspection of anomalies detected in the phase 1 salvage sites project (2017) identified remains of Sms Grosser Kurfurst, left on the seabed after the vessel was towed away from the primary salvage site. The remains comprised a searchlight platform and surrounding miscellaneous wreckage including a long section of buried tube that may have been a section of mast. North west of this is an area of extensive wreckage, including the forward mast complete with splinter-proof spotting top and control tower. Lower down this mast is a smaller crow’s nest compartment corresponding to archive plans for SMS Grosser Kurfürst. A large area of wreckage present at the base of the mast includes the remains of searchlight platforms, control mechanisms, a searchlight base and bridge structure. An extensive trail of cables led from the base of the mast into the wreckage nearby. Thee was also a coal hatch in the vicinity of the forward mast and what appeared to be a small diesel engine on the seabed alongside.

Information from ORCA Marine, University of the Highlands and Islands Archaeology Institute and SULA Diving January 2019

Change Of Location (13 February 2024)

The location of this site record has been reviewed and changed from NGR HY 31852 01671 to NGR HY 32650 01737, and the classification of this record has been changed from Casualty to Obstruction as part of record revision work carried out by HES Designations in connection with the Scottish Marine Protected Areas Project. Information from HES Designations (P Robertson) 13 February 2024.

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